SOIL PH VS Pine Needles. This will should you some great facts it does not change a thing. Help building soil in Back to Eden gardening with wood chips.
Other Good source of proof: http://www.gardenmyths.com/pine-needles-acidify-soil/ .
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Mycorrhizal LIST ( there are two types.ENDO & ECTO ) link: http://www.rootnaturally.com/PlantListMycorrhizal.pdf .
Do you think this theory would apply to redwood leaves as well ?
Thank you! Great input – as always. By the way: The gauge on the pH-meter probably split at 7 from red/green, because 7 is neutral pH. Then the red is towards acidic and green towards base, so the color is most likely just meant as a divider, because base pH (green) is not generally always better than acidic (red) – it always depends on teh circumstances. Anyhow: The nutrient availability chart towards the end of the Video should make it clear for everybody.
Hello Mark. My name is Det van Loenen from The Netherlands. I live in a little village and have a small fruit and vegetable garden. I saw your vlog about gathering leaves for mulch and compost and now this vlog about the pH. I have a big wallnut tree and now all the leaves coming down. Some people say not to use wallnut leaves because it is bad for your plants but others say that it does not matter. What is your opinion about it. Can I use them or not. Thank you very for your vlogs. I learned a lot of you. Best regards.
so if the soil ph is say 4.8 -5 and you start adding all these azomites and worm castings and teas etc etc the plants wont access them??
Don't forget the obvious.. shade under trees. and natural mulching action of the needles.. (same as under any tree that drops leaves that are not removed and allowed to sit and compost. but really good point that we have to quit looking just at the surface what we can see, but what is happening underground.
Great source of more proof. https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&v=BgZ5lttVs6c&redir_token=JOWXINq2VSTe7iSCyOh9-i1Sv3Z8MTU0NzgxMjI2OUAxNTQ3NzI1ODY5&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gardenmyths.com%2Fpine-needles-acidify-soil%2F .
6.5 is probably the best ph for the average plant. It may actually have to do with the carbonic acid produced in healthy system not how good it is for the plant. Just a hypothesis.
Yeah I learned that it's a myth a few months ago as well. Here in our communal garden we use chipped Christmas trees, and it makes a terrific mulch. We stored it on the borders of our garden, and now below it there is great soil, full of humus. So definitely use pine needle mulch, it works amazingly. If you plant right near a tree nothing will grow that's obvious, there's shade, root competition etc… nothing to do with it being a pine tree or anything.
In fact, the guys in Canada who did the study on ramial chipped wood actually used pine trees for their studies at first, then patented the mix of trees that gave them the best results, so everybody assumed that pine needles were bad… No, they just patented one recipe, doesn't mean other mixes of woods don't work.
A scientist in France, Konrad Schreiber, explained that you make your soil acidic only if you BURRY pine product, especially bark which is more acidic. But as a mulch, which breathes, then it's not acidic. Pine needles burried in the ground works like sourkraut : it ferments, so gets sour (acidic). That's all.
Mark, my garden sits between large pine trees 70-80ft tall. Ive never had any problems with my tomatoes which are never beyond 12ft away from a pine. Any thoughts about why the endo is not hurting my plants?
Thanks for taking the time to do this video. Can both Endo and ecto mycorrhizae coexist well in the same place? Or do they actively suppress each other?
Thank you so much for making this! Simple to understand and nice and clear. Could you please share some links to the charts you used so I can print them off? It would be very much appreciated. We’ve got a home garden in a clearing right next to a pine forest and native bush so we have an abundance of leaf litter. Is it true that you can inoculate young fruit trees if doing a food forest with local forest leaf litter? Perhaps not pine needles? Liked and subscribed…. oops just saw some links!
So if I'm starting a garden using the "back to eden" method, it is fine to use a mix of pine needles/dry leaves instead of only wood chips as my top layer?
How far away from the pine trees is the soil affected by the Ecto fungi. We have woods near our gardens and most of the trees are on the Ecto chart so I wonder if it is having an adverse effect on our gardens.
Thanks Mark for all your efforts to deliver great content to all your views. Would you gave a recommendation of what is a good pH meter to get or which on you use?
Another great vid full of useable info! Thanks!!. That soil PH gauge looks serious. Would you recomend it or something similar? where would I get one from? Cheers
Does adding pine/fir shavings to my clay/loam soil lower ph?
This depens on multiple things, like pine species, habitat and soil composition, some pine forests on sandy soild have pH of 3 in the top layer, as there is no calcium mineral to mitigate the acidity, thats not the case in loam and clay soils.
Where did you find the mycorrhizal chart of what plants use what? Thanks in advance! Good job ! From Perris Ca
Good post, however, there are also two other factors which come into play. If the vegetable is planted within the root zone of the tree, the tree will be "stealing" much of the soil nutrients. Also, there is a potential shade factor of the tree when the vegetable is close, that would not be realized, when it is out in the open area. Most of my compost comes from pine needles, which if done properly will read about 6.8 pH.
I have pine trees that line my property boundaries on two sides. I would like to build my composting bins under the pine tress. Would this not be a wise ideal? thanks in advanced
Great video but I'm still wondering: can I use pine needles as a mulch for my garden?
So long as I'm not too close to the roots of the tree?
Ecto is a type of fungus that lives on the roots of the tree?
Great video. Thanks for the information. However, I have a question. I used pine needles for my citrus tree last year and soon after my citrus tree experienced a terrible infestation of scales pests. It almost killed my citrus tree that was healthy and gave me a huge harvest of lemons just 5 months ago. At first I was perplexed by the scale infestation, because I did not realize that the pine needle caused it. I did not make the connection and did not know where the scale had come from. But just recently it dawned on me that pine needle might have brought the scale pests. I went on line and googled it. Sure enough! I have found that scales can infest pine trees and suck on pine trees sap. So even though I love pine needles, but I hate the scales and its larvaes that come with pine needles. Do you have any suggestions that might be able to treat the pine needles before you use it as mulch so that you unintentionally bring pests infestation to trees and vegetables in your gardens? Thank you.
Endo is mainly bacteria (fast growing plants); Ecto is mainly fungi, slow/med growing plants. Fast growing plants need more nutrients faster, bacteria does this, fungi does not do this so well. Fungi excels at med/term nutrition.
Mark, congratulations for such a nice explanation!!! This concept of not acidic coming from pine needles is commonly not known. Your explanations and demonstration made it easy to understand and learn!
I ask you permission to create Spanish subtitles for your video. This will made easy to share your video with some dudes.
Thanks!!!
and greetings from Spain!
2:45 there ya go
I would be more interested to see a pH measurement in an actual forest. Odds are these pine needles are gathered up and hauled by a landscaping company every so often, mitigating any acidic affect they may or may not have.
I'm sure the feeder roots of the pine trees also affect the reason other plants would fail to thrive under the canopy…
Hope this comment finds you. Being a layman gardener and moving in a home with a big pine forest next to me I want to take actual soil and decomposed needles from under the trees and use that to build my raised garden . Is this a good idea? In other words is the soil any different to the soil in a wooded area without pine trees or will I find it having a high acidity PH?
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